you didn't hear much of a defense of why isn't the president doing more? he says he has the power of the opinion and of the phone and why isn't he doing more? a few of them agave to him at a personal but we just disagree. i think we can do better than a minimum wage economy. i don't think it good to wave the white flag of surrender and say we can't do better than 2% economic growth in what is one of the weakest recoveries since the end of the second world war. >> yesterday you talked about waving the white flag of surrender. a lot of people wondered what you meant specifically. i understand what you're saying. why don't you talk to our viewers what that means. what you believe the -- in instead of what's he's pushing for, job, growth, opportunity. explain that. >> sure. the government's policy is a complete mess, whether it's higher taxes, more borrowing and it seems as though the white house has seized on the minimum wage debate and they're going to seize on that. we have a 32-year record low in terms of people in the workforce, people are dropping out. u